Emily Jordan

The Secret Behind Felix Manalo’s Ordination

In the Iglesia Ni Cristo of Manalo, members generally understand the laying on of hands as ordination. A minister who already graduated in New Era University (the educational institution of the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines), to be a full-pledged minister, he must be ordained through the laying on of hands. The one who officiates the laying on of hands is the executive minister, Eraño Manalo.

So, basically, the laying on of hands means ordination. That is the members’ general understanding. Once a minister has been laid hands on, he is already ordained. And if you happen to be one of the selected choir members to sing in an ordination ceremony, you will really see Eraño Manalo perform the laying on of hands.

Even in chapels, when a worker prays after the worship service, you will see that his hands are held down. But if you see that his hands are held up, that worker is already an ordained minister. In Pasugo, June 1977, pictured in the cover are ministers of the Iglesia Ni Manalo being ordained, kneeling down before Eraño Manalo who performs the laying on of hands.

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So the process of giving authority to a minister in the Iglesia Ni Manalo is by ordination through the laying on of hands. The one who ordains is Eraño Manalo. The question is: who ordained Eraño Manalo? Who laid hands on him and gave him authority over the church?

In Liwanag Illustrated Magazine, another publication of the Iglesia Ni Cristo:

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“Published by Iglesia ni Cristo. Head Office: Central Office of the Iglesia ni Cristo, No. 1 Central Avenue, New Era, Quezon City, Philippines. Third issue. Copyright 1999.”

On page 45:

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Excerpt:

Si kapatid na Eraño G. Manalo ay naordenahan bilang ministro noong Mayo 10, 1947.

Translation:

Brother Eraño G. Manalo was ordained a minister on May 10, 1947.

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In the illustration, the one kneeling down is Eraño Manalo as he was being ordained by his father Felix Manalo. He was ordained on May 10, 1947, his father’s birthday. Now we know it was Felix Manalo who ordained his son Eraño Manalo. But this information is not enough. We must investigate further who laid hands on and ordained Felix Manalo himself, the founder of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.

The laying of hands on Felix Manalo is never being taught in the worship services of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Even those who were “offered”, or people who have been INC members almost all their lives, never hear of any topic regarding this. No matter how active an INC member you are, even if you have a duty in the locale and never absent yourself during Thursday and Sunday services, even if you have studied in the evangelical ministry in New Era University, you will not hear of any topic about anyone who had laid hands on and ordained Felix Manalo. Inside the domain of the Iglesia Ni Manalo, no such topic is ever being discussed!

Why is that so? Why is it not being taught to the members? Why is it not being taught by the ministers, pastors, division administrators, or even by Eraño Manalo? Is it not important to know who laid hands on and ordained the founder of the Iglesia Ni Cristo? What is really the meaning of ordination according to their ministers?

In a special edition of Pasugo, titled “75 Blessed Years of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO”, published on July 27, 1989, on pages 154-155:

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Excerpt:

The Laying On Of Hands
Ordination to the sacred ministry is the election by God of men who are to propagate the Word to reconcile man with his Creator. The laying on of the hands of the elder or Church Administrator is an investiture of the divine and holy character that elevates the ordinand to a position of dignity and honor, giving him the privilege to offer God his best service and the power and authority to lead the Church congregation in public worship.

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That says it all. Ordination or the laying on of hands is giving a minister “the power and authority to lead the Church congregation in public worship.” That’s according to their official publication. That is how important to the Iglesia ni Cristo the laying on of hands is. Therefore, it is equally important to know who laid hands on Felix Manalo and gave him authority over the church. But before we acquaint ourselves with them, let us examine first what Felix Manalo’s belief is regarding those who are authorized to lay hands. Are the any requirements?

In Pasugo, March 1939, page 17:

Ang Makakapagpatong ng kamay lamang

“…only those elected by God by means of prophecy or direct calling can lay hands.” This is the belief of Felix Manalo, published in their official magazine. So if anyone laid hands on Felix Manalo, he must have been elected by God by means of prophecy or direct calling, according to Pasugo. Let us confirm.

Here is a document from the Iglesia Ni Cristo which contains information concerning Felix Manalo’s ordination.

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This is an invitation to an event held by the Iglesia ni Kristo which includes the programme. An excerpt of the introductory part on the left page translates in English as:

“Gentlemen: We cordially invite your majesty to the celebration concerning the THANKSGIVING due to the FIFTH YEAR LIFE of “IGLESIA NI KRISTO” in the Philippines and the LAYING OF HANDS on brother Felix Manalo in the duty of Pastor and Administrator of the Church.”

What was to take place in the event? “…the LAYING OF HANDS on brother Felix Manalo in the duty of Pastor and Administrator of the Church.” So someone laid hands on Felix Manalo. But why is this not being taught to the members? Why are they keeping the details secret? The answer is in the document. On the right page, no. 7, they have enumerated the names of those who laid hands on and ordained Felix Manalo.

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Here’s the translation:

“7. The laying of hands on brother Felix Manalo will be officiated by Bishops and Pastors of different Churches established in the Archipelago, of whom are the Reverend Alejandro Reyes, Victoriano Mariano, Gil Domingo, Guillermo Zarco, Nicolas Fajardo, Emiliano Quijano and Roque Bautista.”

“Bishops and Pastors of different Churches,” they are the ones who laid hands on Felix Manalo. This is the reason why the ordination of Felix Manalo is never being taught or discussed in the Iglesia Ni Cristo. It is shameful and terrifying!

Imagine, those who laid hands on your “messenger” are pastors of different religions! Can you swallow that? That is the reason why it is being kept secret from the members. What members know is that God gave Felix Manalo authority to lead the church. But is that really the case? Let us examine further.

The one who ordains ministers in the Iglesia ni Cristo is Eraño Manalo, who was ordained by his father Felix Manalo, who was ordained by pastors of different religions established in the Philippines. It’s like a chain reaction. But what is the viewpoint of Felix Manalo towards protestant pastors and preachers of other religious groups? I bet you already have an idea. But let us consult the incontestable evidence, the official magazine of the Iglesia ni Cristo.

In Pasugo, August 1961, page 39:

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TRANSLATION:

“At the end of this publication, we now ought to reject the catholic priests and the protestant pastors, for they are ministers of satan. We also ought to reject the Catholic Church and the different protestant churches, for they are not of God, but of satan or the devil. Rejecting them and their erroneous doctrines is your obedience to God, to Christ and to the Apostles.”

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Those who laid hands on Felix Manalo, the “Bishops and Pastors of different Churches” who gave him “the power and authority to lead the Church congregation” are “not of God, but of satan or the devil.” All these are according to their own publications.

Now you know why it is kept secret who laid hands on Felix Manalo. Only fools will join an organization whose leader was ordained by satan. Their members know well their doctrine that catholic priests are of the devil, because it is always being preached in their worship services. And yet the same catholic priests and protestant pastors whom they accuse of being of satan are the ones who laid hands on Felix Manalo. If they won’t keep this secret, their members will really evacuate.

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25 comments on “The Secret Behind Felix Manalo’s Ordination

  1. Bookishponyo
    June 2, 2009

    This is the biggest revelation I’ve ever read about this Iglesia ni Cristo cult and its founder Felix Manalo. But even how good they are at keeping secrets, the truth shall prevail.

    I cannot imagine myself being led by a preacher whose ordination was done by non-members, and worst, the ones considered to be of the devil and will be damned.

    This is an intelligent read. Sensitive to details and very sincere with its purpose to investigate cult churches in the Philippines. I really hope soon you will include other religious pesters, pastors I mean, who are there only to enrich themselves.

  2. Jaliam
    June 2, 2009

    No explanation needed. Felix Manalo was ordained by the ministers of the devil, as per their own judgments against the pastors outside their fold.

  3. Capt. Smiley
    June 2, 2009

    Ah, it’s no wonder their doctrines are a mess – their whole history’s a monstrosity of an atrocity! To be laid hands on by religious leaders you consider to be of the devil is bordering on insanity.

    I don’t know of any sane person who would entrust their souls to men like them.

  4. emilyjordan
    June 2, 2009

    Capt. Smiley,

    Yes, their doctrines are a real mess. Yet many of their members stay there because they were brainwashed. Leaders of the Iglesia ni Manalo are masters of brainwashing and mind-conditioning.

    In INC, a large number of members became members practically since birth. They didn’t have any choice since, when they were born, their parents were already INC members. And then they were offered to their church as early as two months old.

    It is just like going along with the trend, as a form of respect towards their parents. In the day of worship, they do worship, but they do not understand the doctrines. A heart truly searching for the truth will not be satisfied with the doctrines of the Iglesia ni Manalo.

    When an INC member’s child turns 12 years old, normally that child will automatically be indoctrinated. Even if the child didn’t understand the doctrines, after the series he will be baptized. So the child grows up with their beliefs, believing anything the ministers say. No investigation. No scrutiny. They just receive what the ministers say. That’s why they don’t know anything about Felix Manalo’s ordination.

    More so, it is being kept secret.

  5. Capt. Smiley
    June 8, 2009

    I can imagine why they keep it a secret.

    I pity those children. They don’t know what lies ahead. They absolutely have no idea.

  6. cheezy14
    June 16, 2009

    emily jordan,

    i would like to comment on all of your messages here in your blog, though i appreciate the time you have devoted to research about INC. evidently, this thorough research about INC is still not enough to post the wholeness of it.

    as the bible says, even if a person has all of the knowledge in the world, but was not blessed by God, will never come to understand the truth.

    in the first place, the reason why members allow people aged twelve to undergo the doctrines
    is that these people are already in the right age to understand the doctrines.

    same thing with, twelve-year-old people who are in sixth grade (in elementary) are already taught with history and science and whatnot. the thing is, they are already aware of what is happening around them and they can now understand these things, especially religion.

    More so, these facts about Iglesia Ni Cristo are also taught, not only in doctrines, but in other events, like conggregations.

    i can see why all of you here cannot understand these things, even though you have done further research.

    i just have one question: can you also explain how your ministers and priests are ordained?
    how can you be so sure that you are holding the truth..

  7. emilyjordan
    June 16, 2009

    Cheezy14,

    Your explanation as to why INC ministers allow CHILDREN aged twelve to undergo indoctrination is out of context. The point is why INC ministers allow twelve-year old CHILDREN to be baptized when nowhere in the Bible can you find that the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles baptized a child of that age. Besides, ministers in INC baptize children as young as 9 years old whenever they can’t meet their quota.

    Furthermore, indoctrinating twelve-year old children in sixth grade and subsequently baptizing them is not the same thing as teaching them some elementary history and science, since history and science do not require a child to have, by his own freewill, the capacity to have faith and the firm conviction that must come along with it.

    Now, about your question: Can you also explain how your ministers and priests are ordained?

    All answers regarding faith are in the Bible. That is what Bro. Eli always says: BE BIBLICAL. To be a minister, a priest, or a pastor that is of God, one must pass the requirements set by God in the Bible. And one of the requirements is written in Hebrews 5:4, which says –

    And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

    Unless you were called by God to take the office of a preacher, as was the case of Aaron, you cannot have that honor unto yourself. Thus Felix Manalo cannot have that honor, since he was ordained by pastors of different religions, not by God.

    For your other question: How can you be so sure that you are holding the truth..

    Truth is like a light. When you are in the light, you will know. But how can you be in the light when your doctrines are as dark as the central of Iglesia ni Manalo in Diliman, the central of darkness? You will not be able to see anything when you are in darkness. If you are in the light of the truth, you will not let yourself be led by a preacher who was ordained by pastors of different religions whom you believe are of satan.

  8. Michael Casabuena
    July 4, 2009

    Regarding sa Ordinasyon ni Kapatid na Erano G. Manalo

    I just want to know kung na naka-attend ka na ng Worship Service sa loob ng Iglesia Ni Cristo? Kung nakadalo ka na, gaano kadalas? Minsanan lang ba? Converted ako sa Iglesia coming from Catholic. Pero isa yan sa naituro sa amin. Ang totoo niyan kulang ka pa yata sa research. Minsan ng na-topic yan sa ” Ang Tamang Daan TV Program ” sa channel 25!! Ilang beses inulit yan dahil para sagutin ang lider ng ” Ang Dating Daan ” na naunang nag-expose (daw!?)kesa sa iyo !!! Siguro mas maganda kung makadalo ka sa mga Doktrina sa loob ng Iglesia Ni Cristo at itanong ang mga bagay na yan?

    Ang imbitasyon kay kapatid na Felix Manalo ay isang ” PAGKAKILALA BILANG LIDER NG ISANG RELIHIYON”. Para malaman mo ang kasagutan at detalyado dumalo ka minsan sa amin at sigurado kang maliliwanagan. Dalhin mo na rin lahat ng resources mo para iisa-isahin namin sa yo bawat detalye ng nakasulat.

  9. emilyjordan
    July 4, 2009

    Michael Casabuena,

    Do I need to attend the Catholic Mass to know how their pope is being elected?

    I don’t need to attend your worship services to know your doctrines. I have all the necessary documents. Do you not read your Pasugo, INC’s official publication? Does it not contain the teachings of INC? Besides, the ordination of Eraño Manalo has already been illustrated in Liwanag Illustrated Magazine, another INC publication, which I cited in the article.

    Now, regarding your leader Felix Manalo, you said that the invitation was a “RECOGNITION AS LEADER OF A RELIGION” – don’t mislead my readers.

    The 1918 document that I cited concerns “the LAYING OF HANDS ON brother Felix Manalo in the duty of Pastor and Administrator of the Church.” It concerns the laying on of hands. Did you read what’s the meaning of the “laying on of hands” according to authorities of the Iglesia ni Manalo and not according to your own interpretation? I will cite again Pasugo’s definition:

    The Laying On Of Hands
    Ordination to the sacred ministry is the election by God of men who are to propagate the Word to reconcile man with his Creator. The laying on of the hands of the elder or Church Administrator is an investiture of the divine and holy character that elevates the ordinand to a position of dignity and honor, giving him the privilege to offer God his best service and the power and authority to lead the Church congregation in public worship.

    The laying on of hands, according to Pasugo, is “ORDINATION to the sacred ministry…” ORDINATION, not “recognition.” Your lies have no effect here. Shoo!

  10. John Adhery
    July 14, 2009

    There are many doctrines in the INC that are not biblical. This is a FACT.

    If the doctrines are biblical it should stand the test of being reliable, credible and consistent and are correctly interpreted in the Bible. You cannot find any other source to back up that Felix Manalo was God’s last messenger. Only people in the INC believe that Felix Manalo was the last messenger. You cannot find a source outside of the INC that will confirm this.

    Go to any library, internet, bookstore, talk to other religious leaders, talk to anyone other than the INC. I bet you cannot find no one. Doesn’t it make you wonder? It’s like saying we believe that apples are the greatest fruit in the world. I’m telling you this so just believe me when I tell you that apples are the greatest fruit. Well, where is the evidence? They cannot provide that evidence. But they will tell you that we (INC) are the only ones that can interpret the Bible which of course is NOT BIBLICAL. Do you think that God and the authors of the Bible only created the Bible to be only interpreted by the INC? That is totally nonsense.

    One thing is definitely true. The Bible tells us that in these last days there will be many false prophets, so it’s predicted that this will occur.

    I should know about the INC because I’m a member of this church for almost 10 years. I had to join the church to marry my wife. The INC are very nice, friendly and hard working individuals but they all have been deceived. People in the INC are very sincere but they are sincerely wrong. I pray for them that they find the truth.

  11. emilyjordan
    July 14, 2009

    John Adhery,

    Thanks for visiting my blog.

    It’s true that you cannot marry an INC member if you are not an INC member. That is why in other countries, non-Filipinos who are converted to INC are those whose wives are INC members. They had to be converted to INC for them to be married, just like in your case. That practice does not conform with biblical principles. In 1 Corinthians 7:12-14, it says:

    But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

    Apostle Paul did not force anyone to accept the Christian faith to be able to marry a Christian man or woman, neither did Paul command Christians to separate from their non-believing husband or wife. God does not force anyone to follow Him. If you are to accept the Christian faith, you have to accept it with the right intention.

    I hope that you’ll continue to search for the truth, John.

  12. Josh
    July 25, 2009

    Response to Cheezy14

    I don’t think a 12 year old can understand the INCs doctrines. Maybe they do but they dont know what was taught were false doctrines. Most if not all may not ask questions anymore. Even my INC adult friend in her 30s cannot answer my questions about your doctrines and just refers me to a minister who in turn tries to make an honest reply but not a convincing one. I have attended countless worship services in the past but finally stopped because of the stupidity of the sermons. I am really wasting my time. I give credit to the INC though because i have found the truth by finally reading the Bible.

    Response to Michael

    Please read the bible and not just the verses the ministers quote. Read 1 chapter before and 1 chapter after the verses that he quoted and please understand the context of the verse. Many of the converts of the INC really come from the Catholic church because we, ourselves do not read the Bible. But if you do and if you still leave the Catholic church, INC will be farthest from your choices.

  13. bypasser
    July 27, 2009

    Lahat ng kasagutan alam na namin bilang kaanib sa Iglesia. Oh well, true it is a mystery to those who doesn’t know the real story. ^^

  14. emilyjordan
    July 27, 2009

    Bypasser,

    There’s no more mystery in Felix Manalo’s ordination. Details have been documented and presented here in this article. The real story is that which has evidences.

  15. navy corpsman
    July 28, 2009

    Emilyjordan,

    Dont be a hater.. regardless of all the “evidence” you presented, im sure you can’t defend that in front of our ministers! We, as the member of the church has a sacred duty to defend the church to scrutiny like yours! Dont fool yourself as well that by posting a blog like this you’ll be able to turn its members against its teachings!

    You should respect our faith as a fellow men. If this is all what you really believe and think about our church, fine , but dont hate us as being “brainwashed” or some stuff like that…

    sincerely,
    navy corpsman

  16. emilyjordan
    July 28, 2009

    Navy Corpsman,

    regardless of all the “evidence” you presented, im sure you can’t defend that in front of our ministers!

    I’ve seen enough of how your ministers Ramil Parba and Michael Sandoval made excuses on television for your leaders Eraño Manalo and Eduardo Manalo in accepting Bro. Eli Soriano’s challenge to a one-on-one debate.

    I’ve also seen enough of how your minister “Mr. Dirty Finger” raised both his hands and made a dirty finger sign in the middle of Bro. Eli’s Bible Exposition.

    That’s the kind of ministers you have.

    We, as the member of the church has a sacred duty to defend the church to scrutiny like yours! Dont fool yourself as well that by posting a blog like this you’ll be able to turn its members against its teachings!

    I know that many INC members are bigots and are not capable of accepting the truth. They close their eyes to the truth and disregard evidences. They are blind followers of the blind. May God have mercy on you.

    You should respect our faith as a fellow men. If this is all what you really believe and think about our church, fine , but dont hate us as being “brainwashed” or some stuff like that…

    I don’t hate INC members. I hate INC doctrines and practices. In the Bible, to hate is a commandment, but what will you hate? Will you hate the person? No. Romans 12:9 says –

    Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

    The verse says, “Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” To abhor means to utterly detest; to hate. I don’t hate INC members. I hate INC doctrines and practices because they are evil and not biblical.

  17. divine genius
    July 28, 2009

    what is your religion by the way??
    from where did you stand for??

    catholic devil advocates?
    soriano’s hellboys?
    protestant rockstars?

    you are making some sort of KVL analogy… base on your argument you dont have to attend the worship service of INC because you have all the resources….ow c’mon because you dont have to!!! even you HEAR the real truth FROM INC yet you wont accept it,,, its useless 4 YOU unless otherwise the HOLY spirit will be upon you to open your heart and accept the truth… you are trying to persuade your readers with an article that did not contain much of the details…well anyway from a little perspective i know where your from maybe you are one of those have been expelled for a reason of against the doctrine implemented in the church… that is obvious with your familiarity and resources…. you are like your uncle shameful bayot soriano…

    the issue you brought was already answered at “ANG TAMANG DAAN” long time before.

  18. emilyjordan
    July 28, 2009

    Divine Genius,

    I pity the narrowness of your perceptive, and yet you call yourself divine genius. Better listen to Bro. Eli Soriano’s Bible expositions that you may learn logic.

    You see, don’t try to reverse the truth because you can’t. If I had heard the truth from INC, I will not have second thoughts in accepting it wholeheartedly with God’s help. But what I heard from INC ministers are all lies. Here’s an example:

    Pasugo November 1976, page 14 –

    The prophecy states that he, whom God had chosen or taken from the ends of the earth the fulfillment of which is undoubtedly Brother Felix Manalo, is the seed of Abraham.

    Pasugo July 1999, page 4 –

    There is only one whom God acknowledges as the seed of Abraham—the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Here’s another example.

    Pasugo November 1967, page 33 –

    It is clearly testified to by history that the Far East is the Philippines.

    Pasugo July 1997, page 5 –

    Let us set this clear. We have never taught that any mention of the expression “far east” refers to the Philippines.

    well anyway from a little perspective i know where your from maybe you are one of those have been expelled for a reason of against the doctrine implemented in the church… that is obvious with your familiarity and resources

    A writer’s familiarity and resources about the topics he writes does not require him to be an excommunicate from any church, he just needs to be a good researcher and analyst. You better widen your perspective.

    And about your bluff, you said that the issue regarding Felix Manalo’s ordination was already answered in Ang Tamang Daan program a long time ago? What’s the answer then? You say that it’s been answered but you don’t know what the answer is. You say the article lacks details and yet you have nothing to add. You cannot say something is lacking if you don’t have an idea of what’s complete.

  19. zonelyn abad
    July 28, 2009

    GO INC!..happy 95th anniversary!..don’t lose hope guys!..Brothers and sisters, whatever it takes, we must stand out against the criticisms of the other people which are ignorant about the truth!

  20. emilyjordan
    July 28, 2009

    Zonelyn Abad,

    Felix Manalo started preaching in 1913, not 1914. Even the anniversary of the Iglesia ni Manalo is a lie.

  21. juvz
    July 29, 2009

    to the author of this site:

    i don’t think you can understand any spiritual teachings because your using other things
    it is said from the bible that spirituals puzzles or misunderstanding can only be understood or explained by spiritual means….
    how can you say that our doctrines and practices are evil?
    why dont you attend our thursday and sunday church services….
    don’t tell me that you dont need to attend our church activities because your proofs will become assumptions because you did not experience how to be a member of our church….
    you dont have the right to judge us according to your view or even your evidences because you dont know the whole story….that’s all for now

  22. emilyjordan
    July 29, 2009

    Juvz,

    You are lost. The issue is about Felix Manalo’s ordination and I used the publications of Iglesia ni Cristo as references—which you called “other things”—to prove that he was not ordained by God but by pastors of different religions. Don’t avoid the issue. According to your own publications, those who laid hands on Felix Manalo, the “Bishops and Pastors of different Churches” who gave him “the power and authority to lead the Church congregation” are “not of God, but of satan or the devil.” And now you’re inviting me to attend your church services? You want me to be led by a preacher ordained by pastors of satan? That’s not an appetizing invitation, is it?

  23. cabbage white
    July 30, 2009

    The fact is clear as what their article stated and I quote:

    “At the end of this publication, we now ought to reject the catholic priests and the protestant pastors, for they are ministers of satan. We also ought to reject the Catholic Church and the different protestant churches, for they are not of God, but of satan or the devil. Rejecting them and their erroneous doctrines is your obedience to God, to Christ and to the Apostles. ”

    Clearly, that false preacher Manalo has been ordained by the ministers of satan. No wonder why he has ill personality, he is liar, murderer and really son of the devil. Maybe the bad spirits of the persons who ordained him were transferred to him.

  24. bursky
    August 7, 2009

    hey! found this article and am really thankful. been into apologetics for some time now and this article is getting bookmarked for future reference. :)

    i have college friends and office-mates who are members of INC. they are intelligent, fun to be with, and trustworthy people. of course, we don’t openly debate and talk about our differences in religious affiliations. anyway, to second what has already been said, it’s the doctrine we are really concerned about, not the people in it.

  25. emilyjordan
    August 7, 2009

    Bursky,

    There are members of the catholic church who are more intelligent, more fun to be with, and more trustworthy people than the INC members you mentioned, but that doesn’t change the fact that the catholic church has too many erroneous doctrines.

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